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What do you think about the death penalty?

So I had this dream two nights ago, and I don't know how how I feel about the death penalty anymore.

I remember I used to firmly against it, saying that people always had a chance in the end, and that even people that go out and rape little girls and kill people or whatever, that they should stay in prison forever and that maybe they could become saved one day. Hey I guess if it happened to Jeffrey Dahmer it could happen to anybody, right? But now I'm not so sure.
Anyways so I had this odd dream, and please don't judge me by it's radical content. It was a dream and has no reflection of my life, it was just a dream, remember that.
So I was in this big house, and I had become friends with this little boy and this little girl, the boy was about 8 or so, and the girl was around twelve or thirteen. We hung out throughout the dream, and eventually, I guess towards the morning, I'm thinking, I saw them, and we were suddenly running from their parents. Dreams don't really make sense, if you know by now, but somehow I knew that we were running from them in this massive house, even though we could not see them. We kept running away from them and I felt as I were the girl in the dream for some reason, yet I still had my own body. Anyways we kept running and we were incredibly afraid, I mean very afraid, and I had found a baseball bat and I felt that if I had this bat with me that I could hurt the parents, or the adults or whoever they were, and protect the two kids.

So we kept running away from them the whole night, and towards the end we ran into this large, empty room, and we were in the corner and I sort of turned invisible I guess, I don't know, but the mom had black hair and was very scary looking and she grabbed the twelve year old girl and when she did, she just stopped running, knowing that whatever happened next was inevitable. The fat man grabbed the boy as well, the man took the boy to a bed in the room and the woman took the girl to another bed in the same room, and told them to take their clothes off.

Anyways the beds had these bunk beds, and I remember I climbed to the top of one of them, and the whole time I still felt like I was partly in the mind of the girl, and then the woman started raping the girl, and the man started raping, or molesting, whatever you want to call it, to the boy. I don't know how the woman and the girl had sex, but dreams are weird and they are odd like that, and it somehow had the effect where the little girl had a penis and the scary woman was forcing the girl to have sex, and her penis was flaccid because of lack of true sexual interest, and she laid there, as the woman kept saying "fuck me, fuck me harder you little bitch", over and over, and she just laid there, taking it and she was completely out of it. The scary woman kept having sex with her roughly and slapping the little girl and spitting on her and punching her as she somehow had sex with the little girl. I mean she was just so paralyzed at this happening, so gone and young and terrified and completely dead inside, witnessing this from outside of herself, through me, I guess.
What was going on was so horrible and evil, and she just laid there, and the worst part was that it felt slightly good, because it was sex, and she was going through puberty, and she just laid there and kept taking it while the woman kept saying nasty things like that, and she just laid there, looking up at the ceiling, dead inside and confused because it felt a little good, and while that was happening the man in the other bed was raping the little boy. The man was fat and old and hairy and had his giant augmented penis inside the boy's asshole, and it was ripping and there was blood everywhere and the little boy was screaming, and I could feel it all as if it was me. This kept going on and on, and in the dream it was so real. Right now your reading this and you have no idea how it felt like, to be there and see this little girl and boy getting raped by adults, and it was so sick and twisted and evil, truely evil, and I was frozen, completely dead inside, just as the girl was.

Anyways in the dream I was terrified and I hated the both of them, so incredibly much, I hated them more than I have ever hated anybody or anything in my life. I looked for the bat that I had had but somehow their unimaginably dark minds made it dissapear. I can't even begin to describe how real it felt, how much hate I had for them. I don't know. I always thought "Everybody gets a chance to be saved", but in that dream I wanted them to burn in hell forever. And I felt like God would agree, that he wouldn't mind if I killed them right there and then.

Anyways I reached under the pillow in the dream, and I found this silver colt .45 pistol, (apparently the bat vanished...) and I wasn't invisible anymore, and the woman and man didn't react to see me, they really thought they were invincible, I guess, in their sick lust. I climbed down and I looked at the woman and she was naked and somehow having sex with the girl and the girl's penis which became hard due to her incredible confusion at what was going on and the natural sexual stimulation that was happening (I know girls don't have penis's but as I said before the dream made sense at the time...) and she was so terrified and young and afraid and so out of it she couldn't even cry, and the woman was sweating and naked and gross and kept humping her like an animal, and the man was hairy and fat and had the boy turned around and I guess was anally raping him, and the boy was screaming and crying from pain.
I picked up the gun and shot the woman in the head, and her brain exploded into a thousand pieces and blood went everywhere, and some splattered on the bed and floor and the girl, and I felt so incredibly good, and then the man looked over and looked so terrified, more terrified then even the children, like the shot had brought his sick awareness to reality, like he had realized what he was, and as he looked at me it almost seemed as if a small part of him felt deserving, like he almost wanted to die. So I lifted the gun again, completely full of hate, and I shot that man in the head again and his head exploded all over the little boy and I felt like my body was on fire and having an orgasm  because it felt so damn good to kill this fucking monster..., but somehow I knew that that wasn't nearly going to effect them as them raping them would.

Then the girl and boy ran to me and were crying and hugged me, and I told them everything was going to be okay, to put their clothes back on and we were going to go to a hospital or a psych ward or something, I don't know.

Anyways I woke up and I was still so full of hate, it took me a while to calm down and realize it was just a dream, and I started thinking about that, about whether or not people like that deserve a chance to get saved.
It just made me think about how people get raped and you hear about it in the news, or how there are gang fights and drug addicts and people molesting people, and whatever, and I realized that before it had always seemed so fake to me, like all this news that I hear all the time has really numbed me, like it all didnt' seem real, and that dream really woke me up, and I just thought about it a lot. I think that all these things we hear about sounds fake to us, somehow. I don't know.
It has been bothering me ever since, I really don't know how I feel about the death penalty anymore, I was so sure before, but when you see something like that or if your the victim, even though it was a dream, because it was real, at least temporary, I felt they deserved it.
It's like I don't know anymore, because what you do in dream I believe is what you would do in real life, and I would have shot those sick perverts, I really would have, in real life, I would kill them and hurt them and make sure they died.


I'm sorry for the language and description. What do you think? Do you think people should have the death penalty if they commit a great enough offence? Or does everybody truly have the chance to be saved? And is that feeling I felt, that compulsion to kill those perverts, is that just human? Or is it justice? Is there a difference, and what is the line?

:) Have a good day.

-D.W. Arsement

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asura_reborn
May. 13th, 2008 06:01 am (UTC)
Why do it...
People can be cured. Most people just don't choose to suffer through getting better, and meeting a person capable of curing you from that is rare...

But why lover yourself to their level?
Because... for Demonkin... You're already that low, and you are what you are... Why not enjoy it and do it for the right reason?

^.^

You see the part at the end... Where you help the children and they love you...?

That's the best part, where you can accept that you exist, and say to yourself... "Hey... Maybe God thinks I'm ok too."

To some... You're not lowering yourself... Your lifting up something that can't be changed anyway.
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asura_reborn
May. 13th, 2008 10:00 pm (UTC)
"We"...?
I'm clearly not part of that we...

"We" haven't found the cure for Cancer or MD either, right?

Yea, I'm not part of that "We" at all.

To Demonkin Carnal Instinct is very important, and managing and controlling it is equally important.

Sometimes it is necessary for an evil person to die a hideously scary death.

I would strongly recommend cutting off all his fingers, and this should be recorded to educate criminals (not public massess) of the results of their actions.

Additionally, there are three points on each finger, which can be cut, making a total of 30 cuts. This should be done to the rapist, after he is given a drug which makes him incapable of passing out from shock, including shock from pain. It's a worthwhile investment, and they can be found in Africa. Then he should be hanged.

Draco's problem was Prosecuting anyone and everyone. Thieves were killed for stealing bread, for example, but people became thieves, because of the problems in that Country at the time.

The Death Penalty is used for specific crimes, and torture penalties need to be made also, and perhaps not televised, but available for people who are guilty of lesser crimes which lead to those higher ones.

The Unites States has one of the Highest Crime rates of all Countries in the UN, because we let Criminals sue the Police, and other ridiculous things.

People like this who take innocent forms of life and torture them need to experience these things, be cured, or SUPPRESS their Carnal instincts.

I can suppress mine, and unsuppressed them when it is appropriate, moral, and legal, and believe me I can be very very vicious, and immediately become very very civil when a dangerous situation is resolved, and thus be carnal and 100% self controlled at the same time.

I advocate for the death penalty, and also the torture penalty.

I do not think it should be used for closure... I think it should be used to halt criminal behavior.

If you ever worked with all these kids who experience this, I very much doubt you would think this is at all irrational, whether or not you agree with it.

However, you are correct. Your path brings MUCH more enjoyment than mine, although it accomplishes less as far as worldwide changes in things.

However, you are lucky to be what you are. ^.^
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asura_reborn
May. 14th, 2008 02:17 am (UTC)
Re: "We"...?
I did not say you didn't work with numerous rape victims, but your words did prove to me you haven't.

One victim of abuse who you failed to help is not numerous victims.

Concerning a cure for mental illness...?
No, hu-man... You know no such cure.
I am sure u have also not heard of a cure for the human disease of lust (a mental illness)... or cancer (a mutation).. of muscular dystrophy (a disease).

This is probably because people who do not care about money or recondition are not motivated to share it with masses of people who they do not love. Why would they?

If these cures were out there, being used, you wouldn't be entitled to even know about them.

Yes, you are correct. The human race is not naturally capable of using violence to end violence. However, when done properly and strategically, it can be done, but not with natural instinct, rather with trained rationality.

Violence ends wars. When a Psychotic lunatic declares a war of mass destruction against a Country, killing that lunatic, and His followers in a horrific manner ends resistance temporarily, and thus when one must resort to violence, or die, it is IMO a necessary choice.

If a rapist dies, He cannot rape again. It is a very simple equation. Publicizing it to masses of people will motivate others to spread hate, but keeping the emotional content of it contained does not spread violence. It eliminates it.

The equation is not at all complicated.
Fire is fought with fire. Ask any fireman how they put out a forest fire. When something is raging, and out of control, it can be eliminated. For example, a small strategically contained circle of fire will burn part of a forest so a fire does not spread.

It is not at all complicated. Making it complicated with justifications is what makes hate useless, impractical, and destructive, rather than making it beneficial to society and humanitarianism.

(If you think hate cannot benefit society, than you, my friend, are sadly mistaken, and need to reread those history books of yours.)

To say you want closure for something... To say the end justifies the means... To say this person is innocent, but that's ok... That brings Karma back on you.

But sometimes you contain a fire by snuffing it out... letting it's own rage die. If you put a fire in a contained area... feed it and keep it alive... It is not gone.

When a person who rapes a small child gets out of prison... uncured... what do you think is gonna be the first thing on their mind.

Resentment for the system. Hate. A consuming desire to resort to past patterns. Jail does not change people. Jail is not therapy. History shows us this.

You want a cure for sexual predators?
You want a cure for cancer?
You want a cure for anything?

Don't bother trying to earn it. Don't bother "halting" crime with petty human emotions and justifications.

Trust me. It doesn't work. I've seen a million people fail.

You want someone to put out a fire? Don't rush into a blazing forest with personal issues about how a fire hurt your baby... don't argue with the firemen about their methods, because you are not familiar with them.

It is not at all complicated.

Everything is very simple.

If something works... Repeat it. When it fails... Figure out why. Get it as close to perfect as you can.

That's how cures are made, and that's how Criminal Justice works.

Justifications "Oh, but deep inside this man is suffering..." "But He/She doesn't understand what he/she did"... "But if I took the Law into my own hands it wouldn't work..."

Justifications like these are pointless.

It's like telling a fireman why starting a fire is not gonna stop one.

He will not listen, and will not explain it twice. He's too busy putting out fires.
btani
May. 14th, 2008 03:04 am (UTC)
Re: "We"...?
I agree that sometimes violence is necessary - like in war to defend yourself, and even capital punishment in a country that can't afford to lock up all their criminals. Personally, I think someone who rapes children should be locked up for life. I didn't say I felt sorry for them, or that I spend my time worrying about people who have been executed for cold blooded murder or raping kids. I do think that even though our system is not the best answer - that it is soooo much better than the torture and killings that went on in the middle ages or even in the wild wild west - I don't want to go backward, I want to go forward. Nevertheless, we have capital punishment here, and it hasn't dropped the crime rate. But I agree that letting these people back out after prison is a huge mistake. I don't want to depend heavily on capital punishment and torture mostly because I don't want my community to be caught up in the lust of vengence - for the healthy minds and lives of those of the community ... it really isn't for the benefit of the murderers and child rapists.
asura_reborn
May. 14th, 2008 03:36 am (UTC)
Re: "We"...?
That I also agree with.

Lust for vengance is very unhealthy.

As Aristotle once said... A Tyrant is usually first a protector.

It was more poetic and deep the way he said it though. :-)

And u hit a key point there... Capital Punishment hasn't changed much at all in the crime rate. Focus should probably be directed more on the Legal System itself.

There are anti-abuse systems in Social services, but they hardly communicate directly with the Criminal Justice System... That is in itself a serious problem.

Another belief I have is that the Government really isn't responsible for as much as we like to pretend it is...

Back in the day, when taxes were lower, when there was a pothole in the road, people would get out and fix it... They weren't at work all day, they hung out with their neighbors, and if a rape was going on... People would know about it within a few days, and it would be taken care of.

The point of my tangent here is... Community involvement. When everyone feels connected... Adults can talk to kids, and nobody is paranoid about it, because the adult probablly knows the kids' parents... People know each other, and people talk to each other, and when there's a problem, the COMMUNITY fixes it, rather than blaming the Government for not being able to do this.

When society started to degrade, crime shot way up...
Really it's our responsiblity as human beings (or such in your case, and I like to pretend I'm one too) to get involved, and do our part...

Criminal Justice is supposed to be there as back-up, and is STILL designed to take care of a problem AFTER it happened, and hardly stops the before.

The answer is the same thing... the only thing... that has ever worked in history.

Everyone works together, everyone cares, everyone gets involved.

It worked 80 years ago, and it can still work today.
btani
May. 14th, 2008 03:43 am (UTC)
Re: "We"...?
"Yes, you are correct. The human race is not naturally capable of using violence to end violence. However, when done properly and strategically, it can be done, but not with natural instinct, rather with trained rationality." If those in power of the judicial system and police and prison systems were all trained and rational, I would agree. The problem is that with humans everything always gets out of control. Those paid to protect us soo often turn into the criminals themselves. I think this is even more rampant than rape. In fact, many of them are rapists too. I'm done on this subject - but appreciate your thoughts on it - and do understand why you feel this way.
takes_a_fairy
May. 15th, 2008 04:09 am (UTC)
Re: "We"...?
And no bully or tyrant will respect you until you prove you can kick his tail...then he'll likely leave you alone once you do.

Same concept...and I agree.

takes_a_fairy
May. 26th, 2008 05:07 pm (UTC)
Re: "We"...?
Re: "We"...?
I have to say, that I think it starts with how we raise our kids and the sense of entitlement our society teaches kids. Kids don't seem to be required to EARN there place in the world and be contributors to it, anymore.

Here's what I mean: I baby-sat a child who shoplifted at the age of eight, and I discovered it after we'd got in the parking lot. When I marched the kid back inside the store to own up, return the item and apologize...the manager said..."Oh, that's okay."
I got so steamed at her. I got on her case. I said..."Don't tell this kid 'it's okay'. Your store was shoplifted...and it's NOT okay." The dumb woman looked at me like 'I' was nuts! People don't get it. Had there not been someone to make him face the manager, he'd have continued with shoplifting.

Our legal system, is not the problem, it's our mamby-pamby, gotta-be-nice-to-everybody society that's the problem. By the time the "systems-that-be" get the criminals in their hands, those criminals have no sense of conscience left. It's the same way when kids whine a lot. When parents or teachers won't answer a kid when they are speaking in an acceptable tone of voice, it causes kids to think they have to whine or be obnoxious to "be heard". They are "trained" to whine.

It's not the system, but our society. We need to get back to teaching kids that they get stickers, trophies, awards and raises when they PUT FORTH THE EFFORT to win and excel...that they have to EARN their place in society and be CONTRIBUTORS TO IT; not consumers entitled to do what they want, when they want and still get rewarded. Our society has created the atmosphere for criminals to be produced and thrive in, not the systems-that-be. They can't fix it. People need to govern themselves, and self-control has to be upheld.
asura_reborn
May. 26th, 2008 11:16 pm (UTC)
Re: "We"...?
In Africa, a man's rite to manhood is at the age of 14. By 15, a person reaches maturity. In the United States, a man reaches adulthood at about 40... Some around 25... The rest, 80 or never.

With the rite of manhood, a person's profession is chosen for them by their parents and/or tribe leaders. The rite is symboloc of their training from the age of (usually) 8, and can be anything from making their masterpiece (a barrel, a quit, or a painting for a craftsman) to a rite for a warrior (having numerous variations).

This mentality prepares one for adulthood, because it is not actualy the rite itself that is significant. IT is their prepration during the whole process to become a healthy part of that society.

In the USA there is no such rite, and children are confused with minors. Pedophiles (according to the Mental Illness, not the Legality) touch children, not minors, as minors above 16 are adults psychosocially.

Sadly, however, in this society, they are trained to believe they are still children. From the age of 16 they are not, and instinctively they know this, but because American Society is so slow in all aspects of growing up, in a lot of ways, they really are, so the laws make sense and don't at the same time.

In short... NO-body puts forth an effort to grow up, and No-Body puts forth an effort to MOTIVATE people to grow up. The only motivation I see around here is "money money money," and going to college, which doesn't promote maturity, just greed.

That contributes to the problem you speak of also.
takes_a_fairy
May. 27th, 2008 05:30 pm (UTC)
Re: "We"...?
I agree that many are not trained to "grow up" and contribute to society, they are being trained to 'take' and 'consume' and have a 'sense of entitlement' that something is owed to them. Decades ago, children were capable of getting up before dawn, taking care of hard farming chores and then going to school. Sometimes, they had to help their mothers because their father's were dead. Unless a family 'knows' to teach their kids that attitude today, our western society does not treat children like they can handle real life and so they don't grow up well.

I am not personally familiar with African ways, nor of the ceremonial rites. But along with that concept though; in the practice of Judaism, you have what is called Bar Mitzvah (for boys) and Bat Mitzvah(for girls) celebrational rites when a child reaches the age of 12. Up to that point, the children are prepared for it, also. Once they have their respective celebrational ceremony they are considered to be young adults and to act like it. Children will give you what you expect of them. Once they are grown they make their own choices of course. Parents can only do so much.


asura_reborn
May. 27th, 2008 10:37 pm (UTC)
Good Point.
I posted this in the wrong place, sorry.

Good point there.

Now you understand why I'm not interested in helping people who do nothing but "consume"...? Why cure greedy masses. It'll go into money and corruption. I'd rather cure a few kids online than a million people across the world, and risk getting sued.

And in my eyes, Bar Mtzvah is pretty much a rite of manhood.

Parents DON'T spend much time with their kids... 80% or so (roughly estimating) of the kids I meet online aren't spending any time with their parents, so how can they teach them?

Kids as young as 10 to 13 are literally asking adults for sex online. It's pretty sick. Or pretty likely that they're other sickos who enjoy themselves in their fantasy worlds...

I guess it takes very little time for a generation to become this messed up. So many people grew up not being taken care of that in, what... 3 generations later things got bad... and by the 4th generation, this Coutnry has gone to hell in a handbasket.

Neglect of love and attention is hardly a crime... The Government can't regulate this nonsense. Nobody can force someone to love and spend time with their kids. Nobody should. People don't do stuff like that because they're forced. They do it, because they have to.

One thing has ever changed this... Everyone needs to be involved as a community, put their "noses in each other's buisness" and rag on them about how they don't spend time with their kids.

Sometimes Social Conformity is the only way to get massess to do this.

The ironay is the world moves through Karma... The answer to everyone's prayers for these kids is inevitablly what the Kabbalah teach us... One of two things inspires bringing the Light of God back...

1. Choice and Dedication.
2. Suffering and tradegy.

Karma says... This Country's due for another war. And a couple external things I've put together... Pretty much echo it.

Hopefully it won't come to that... I honestly believe that if people were involved, and cared about their kids, and took care of them, and society became realistic and healthy again, the external enviornment would fix itself... People would be so involved that would remember that caring about their Country was more than proudly proclaiming themselves to be the best Coutnry in the world (which is like a kid walking into school everyday, and declaring themselves the best person there).

No, they'd look at what was happening with their kids, and say to themselves... Hey, the crap we do to the Countries in the rest of the world reminds me a lot of how I treated my kids. Here's an idea...

And that spreads.

Everything connects, and it takes more than half a brain to see that. International War, and the family life are so interconnected it's ironic... I could spend all day explaining how things connect, but at the end of the day...

Fix your own life, and the world will follow.
takes_a_fairy
May. 27th, 2008 11:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Good Point.
Doesn't seem like you posted in the wrong place...you are addressing some things I said. No apology needed.

While we fix our own lives there is nothing wrong with helping some folks along the way who are struggling with things we've overcome, ourselves.

I believe everything should be about balance, moderation and the good of the whole, but not in the socialistic nor communistic senses. There is too much individuality being promoted and not enough unity and community, for the most part. We are not entities unto ourselves and cannot thrive a our best without accountability to others.
asura_reborn
May. 28th, 2008 03:34 am (UTC)
Re: Good Point.
Yay. I love you. Hehe...

I'm weird like that.

And I love how u talk too. It all makes perfect sense. I am totally willing to be accountable if my cures don't work in some rare scenario... I am just not willing to pass them to the masses right now, because of:

A. Personal issues.
B. Like u said... Being promoted, and going public doesn't work with me.
C. Everything we've been discussing about earning things, and having them just handed to you.

I've got my Cancer cure in the most secure place in the United States. Last place anyone would expect me to put it, and maybe they'll steal it from me. I don't care much... But heck... I just don't agree with giving people something they haven't earned... Maybe it's my selfishness or my evil... my hate for humanity as a whole... or what this Country has come to that makes me think people have to earn it...

H*ll, I'm giving it to the Muslims.
takes_a_fairy
May. 28th, 2008 04:58 pm (UTC)
Re: Good Point.
Thanks for the compliment. We are all weird in some way. LOL Just not all of us are willing to admit it.

When I speak of balance it goes further. When the rain comes it rains on the just and the unjust. Good farmer's crops get the same rain as bad farmers. Balance happens when the bad ones come to an appreciation of that rain and suddenly change their ways, after experiencing a long drought.

In the same way, sharing your cure with the "seemingly" undeserving has great potential to turn the undeserving people around, creating a greater number of newly deserving people. I have a tea recipe that takes care of upper and lower respiratory illnesses in a matter of days. I developed it when my kids were sick with every bug that came along. They have not had antibiotics since early childhood. 'When' they get sick which has been rare for years they call me and ask for the tea. I'm still in search of a way to market it as a product for the masses. It works.

Balance is lost when a person becomes judge and jury about who deserves something and who doesn't. We don't know the hearts of men. We only know what we think we see. But things are often not as they seem. For example;
If we catch someone stealing food or clothing...are they bad because they stole or are they desperate because life has dealt them a hard hand and they have smaller siblings with no food or clothes. Do we judge, or do we show temperance and take the time to evaluate their motives? What is the likelihood of that being possible on a large scale as the population of America? Why would the Muslims be deserving when there are criminals in their ranks as well. Find the balance.

Let the rain fall on both the just and unjust and separate them out later, when the results of it show up. By the way, I have friends whom I've lost to cancer and who are dying of cancer and you have a cure?
Why would someone not share it? Ultimately, who is it all about...the person with the cure, or the terminally ill? No, I'm not angry, just curious. And why would those who have treated you, not share it? I would like to understand the reasoning behind needing to control who gets the cure.
asura_reborn
May. 28th, 2008 06:48 pm (UTC)
Re: Good Point.
You stopped with the love, and started with the objective, huh...?

No, Things are NOT always as they seem...

And you're wrong... I TOTALLY see the hearts of all men.

And it's not about how gets it... It's about who releases it...
You want to understand why...?

Albert Einstien discovered how to split an Atom... How was this knowledge used? People don't realize when you break an atom you are doing a lot more than creating an explosion. You are releasing pure VOID (See Kabbalah) into the Universe... Any evil or corruption or suffering it touches is magnified, and Karma is distrupted. This is Quantum Physics. WHAT do you think people are doing while they are getting nuked...? Laughing and rejoicing?

Since the release of the Atom Bomb society has suddenly, out of nowhere, shot into a state of massive degredation capturing the emotional content of nuked people and animals, and re-creating it.

I don't HAVE to prove this to you. I see it everyday.

The cure for Cancer uses Nuclear Fision... Perfectly.
That is just to create a new Element, of course... All you do is inject it into the bloodstream, but the method of creating it... In the wrong hands... Is dangerous.

Get the idea?

Let the wrong person release it, and you will upset the Balance. Why the Muslims...?

I know this Medic in a Muslim Militant Group. She's in the Reserves. She's a wonderful person... A bit of a Pacifist. She's not Racist against my Race, spiritually or in any way. She's off duty right now, and working at a camp for kids. She represents her group for me, and her Allah, in her eyes at least, seems pretty awesome.

She works for a PAT (Private Anti-Terrorism) Unit in Israel.

Compare that to this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz7UNxnOI3M

Where do you think the cure is gonna go?
takes_a_fairy
May. 28th, 2008 07:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Good Point.
You stopped with the love, and started with the objective, huh...?

This statement proves my point. My 'objective' was simply to personalize the question more. 'I' don't want your remedy. There are other ways to heal cancer without drugs, but not everyone is willing to believe that or try those methods. We all have cancer cells in us, but not everyone's immune system can keep them from taking over their body and creating a diseased state.

You see, if you really knew my heart you would not have jumped to the conclusion that I had the objective of getting you to give me your remedy. That's what I was referring to when I said none of us really knows EVERY person's heart. We ALL jump to conclusions and don't try to find out a person's true motives. Now, that I understand the level of science you are coming from I can understand more clearly why you don't want to share it, and it makes sense. I took the time to find out what your motives are, without assuming to know your heart and judging you based on my assumptions. That's where I'm coming from. Assume as little as possible, find the truth and decide things based on actual truths, not appearances.

Personally, I deal with everyone on an individual basis, not a racial nor people group basis. It's prejudiced and unbalanced if I do. There is no race, nor people group, on this planet that does not have selfish or evil people within it. That's the nature of being human. People are people and they ALL experience the same emotions and same kinds of pain. They ALL have reasons why they do things that are most often NOT obvious to us.

There are people of various races, not just Muslims, helping children around the world. I, myself, have been to an orphanage in Bolivia and taught the little kids to draw well. As a result the resident phsychologist could interpret the kid's emotional issues better,for treatment/counselling purposes because their drawings were more legible. I left the drawing lessons there, so they could use them for the new kids that come in. For financial and medical reasons vertigo not cancer I have not been able to return, although they have asked me to.

asura_reborn
May. 28th, 2008 07:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Good Point.
Hrm...

1. I see your heart quite clearly. That of which you are concious and subconcious. I do not see your mind and your thoughts however, and for that I mis-assumed, yes. The heart tells us not much. Only what one feels.

Heart tells emotion.
Will tells desire, and choice.
Mind tells thought, method, and intention.
Soul tells of the person and who they are.

Currently I am only reading small parts of your heart.

2. Muslim is not a Race. It is a Religion. You understand the level of what I am talking about, yes, but you have no idea what I am.

3. I do assume a lot. I also pretend to assume, and draw out truth more clearly by playing on the reactions of people's hearts. If anyone in the States knew how to torture people they could do this quite efficently, and torture would make sense, but they let their emotions get in the way.

4. I am interested in hearing reasons for these things. Otherwise, I would not be discussing them.

5. I also deal with people on a person basis, and I make that very extreme. My statement that she represents her Militant group is, in one way, correct. However, in another sense, it is her, nobody else, as an individual, whom I like, that motivates me to give her this cure. I have not met these other people. Why would I help them? I do not know them.

This goes back to my philosophy I have touched on a little bit here... Governments don't run the world... People do. The most perfect system in the world is useless without the right people running it. Thus, reaching out to others in our community is of extreme importance. Change the views and heart of one person, and who knows... They might accomplish something good. Most people don't realize whom they are talking to in everyday conversations like this one.

6. I love people who work with kids... That fact in itself tells you something about them. Do you have Cancer? You wrote "vertigo not cancer", but it is crossed out.
takes_a_fairy
May. 28th, 2008 08:33 pm (UTC)
Re: Good Point.
I answered some of this in a personal message. No, I do not know 'what' you are, nor who you are. But that goes both ways.

If the heart is emotion, then you haven't seen much of mine as you said, because I haven't "shown" any emotion. I am one who does not express emotion outwardly, angering slowly and not excitable nor panicky.

Re: #1. The emotion of the heart is the sum of the mind, will and cares of the person. But, I, think we are saying the same things in different ways.

Re: #2. I referred to Muslims as a people group. I know they are not a race. They are a religious people group, in this case.

Re: #3. That's what I did to you, basically. I drew you out. People in the States know how to torture, they just let the public control wether they do it or not...like you said, it's an emotional thing. I'll keep my own preferences about torture to myself.

Re: #4. You should be talking to someone who matters to get real answers. Unless you're getting a general idea of what an ordinary person thinks for some unknown purpose, which did occur to me.

Re: #5. Good to know.

Re: #6. Kids have priority...period. They are the future and need to be trained to do well for that reason. I answered the rest privately.

Please put all future responses in messages, we are dominating this page with off topic comments. :o)
asura_reborn
May. 13th, 2008 05:17 am (UTC)
Solon and Draco
Draco was a Historical Tyrant who took over a Country full of crime, and completely eliminated the crime rate through such tyranny that the "Laws" became almost as bad as the Criminals were.

Solon eventually took over, and created a more relaistic interpretation of those laws, which were more lenient.

Here is the interesting part...
Solon was useless before Draco came. His ideas, beliefs, and philosophies, in a world where criminals were above the law were useless...

See, History swings back and forth like a pendulum from one thing to another. Pedophilia, rape, kidnapping, and sexual slavery of children has increased dramatically.

Punishing people excessively creates fear, and stops violence (but hardly pedophilia) towards children, and considering some of the sick things they do...

It feels really damned good to be a monster when you're facing a real one...

WTF were u doing in my dream? LOL.

No, she kept the bat, and beat the sh-t out of Him, and I'm so proud of her for it. I was sending her a camera designed by Homeland Security as a late birthday present along with a USB device so she could make an evidence file on her computer. The gun was something she made up to scare him.

No idea what I'm talking about? I connect through dreams a lot to make things happen, and when I saw your dream post, I had to say...

Wow. Total Parallel. You gotta be in my pattern somehow... You must've watched the Naruto Frequency Brain wave Entrainment video on my web site or something.

It's got a built in Karma spell using something called CyberMagick I learned on a mailing list called TIAMAT.

And yea... It's WAY better than sex to do that kinda stuff to a monster. :-P
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asura_reborn
May. 18th, 2008 04:41 am (UTC)
Re: Solon and Draco
In my case it's my heart... I try to do every thing for the right reason, and a lot of my friends, abuse victims or not look at me like I'm some kind of angel, and I have to explain to them, no I'm a monster... They just don't see it, I guess... Maybe it depends on what you think a monster is.

I think there are good monsters and bad monsters...

In my eyes, Draco the Tyrant did his best, but his laws were so excessive that he defeated the purpose, and became worse than the criminals.

Thus his viewpoints about the death penalty were so extreme that they didn't make sense after crime was reduced...

In a person's heart, when crime was rampant, his views made a lot of sense, but he went to the extreme, and Solon had to take over, and create final peace...

Basically, they were criminals who didn't care about anyone, so Severity, and the death penalty made sense... but then his Severity overstepped, and Mercy was more necessary for people who committed basic minor crimes for the purpose of survival in economic hardship.

I guess my point was... in hard times, yea, the death penalty is important... when things get better though, mercy is important too.

This is the Kabbalistic principle of the Tree of Life... Mercy is on one side, and Severity is on the other... balance is in the middle, and without balance, all is lost.

ex_revolutem972
May. 13th, 2008 05:45 am (UTC)
Man's very nobility (and perhaps a worthwhile reason in a sea of absurd and possibly psychotic conclusions) might be defined by his willingness to preserve life and pursue harmony and goodwill, even as he's built a whole world and prospered on the necessities of shed blood, death, and destruction.

Few folks can peer into a mirror and see a human face with both of these sides.

Edited at 2008-05-13 05:45 am (UTC)
lostvirtue
May. 13th, 2008 03:40 pm (UTC)
The violent act you describe is self-defense or defense of others during the act of violence against them.

The main reason I am against the death penalty is that innocent people (very rarely do you have proof beyond any doubt) are killed and because our country still has so much discrimination non-white people/poor are much more likely to be killed for the same crime. It's not even handed and I don't like the idea that the government can kill citizens.

Also, as terrible as rape/child abuse is, I don't think that it is a "death penalty" offense. (and yes, I experienced, albeit a rather "mild" case of this as well)

I have personal experience with a murdered relative so this isn't just some "unreal" idea for me, and I think the United State prison/law system has gotten completely out of hand.
lostvirtue
May. 13th, 2008 03:41 pm (UTC)
Oh, and I know this is your personal journal, but since you went and added a bunch of people that you don't know, you should really lj-cut this and warn people of rape/sexual abuse triggers.
asura_reborn
May. 13th, 2008 10:16 pm (UTC)
Rape/Sexual Abuse triggers...
There are some good YouTube music videos which list them.
As a person you do not yet know...

I would suggest adding some of them to this post.
lostvirtue
May. 14th, 2008 03:06 am (UTC)
Re: Rape/Sexual Abuse triggers...
huh?
asura_reborn
May. 14th, 2008 03:41 am (UTC)
Re: Rape/Sexual Abuse triggers...
Sorry to talk to u... I know u don't know me...
That was more directed to Drake.

There are some good, really emotionally inspiring YouTube videos on rape and abuse, that discuss symptoms and triggers in the text while the music is playing, as well as promo videos to stop child abuse. One of my favorites are the "Dear Mister Jesus" series... They have some kinda graphic photos on there though...

They fill me with hate, because I am incapable of feeling pity, so instead of pitying the victim I hate the abuser, but in the end it makes the same result... I remove the obstacle, and help the victim...

Point is, the videos are very touching, and good for people to watch, and some of them list signs of abuse/rape, and I think there are some references to triggers on there...

Sorry to have confused you.
lostvirtue
May. 14th, 2008 04:43 am (UTC)
Re: Rape/Sexual Abuse triggers...
Ah sorry, for some reason I thought you were being sarcastic.
asura_reborn
May. 18th, 2008 04:44 am (UTC)
Re: Rape/Sexual Abuse triggers...
Sorry, I didn't mean to come off that way.

I give off bad vibes when I'm upset, so I understand why u thought that... This issue is kinda close to my heart

I was making the comment about "someone you don't yet know" to Drake, so it didn't apply to you so much. I'm not really sure what ur views are on him talking to strangers, but I totally understand u not wanting him posting about people in his private life when he's inviting strangers to read his blog, and actually I agree with u...

Sorry if I hurt ur feelings or anything. ^.^

God bless. :-)
lostvirtue
May. 18th, 2008 02:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Rape/Sexual Abuse triggers...
Yeah, I've decided to unfriend this person. They seem pretty trolly to me, I'm not sure if they are a troll, or just have a very different world view than me..... but whoever they are, they are very selective about replying to comments... and have added a questionable number people on my friends list.

You don't start up a new blog and start discussing ultra controversial topics and graphic images of child rape and invite a huge number of people you don't know to read it without any sort of introduction. Or at least... *I* don't.

And yes, this is close to my heart too. Fortunately or not these types of conversations aren't triggering to me, but I'd at least like a warning. And I completely understand what reading something like this can do to someone who's been through anything similiar.
takes_a_fairy
May. 15th, 2008 04:15 am (UTC)
I was going to suggest this, but already had.
So, dude...I agree with "lostvirtue". Edit this post and put this content under the cut with a content warning. There are under aged people on here, who don't need to read this stuff.
grinningevil
May. 15th, 2008 04:45 am (UTC)
I'm against the death penalty 100%. It's not the job of the state to kill people. Especially the a state as flawed as the United States. I have a good friend that's an anti-death penalty activist in Texas and she's told me some crazy stories about how badly defended some defendants are in capital cases there. Imagine being on trial with your life on the line and your court appointed attorney is asleep. Then imagine that you can't get a mistrial declared and you're found guilty. Or, imagine the local DNA lab is known to be wrong in their findings at least 50% of the time and they're using DNA evidence processed at that lab in your trial. Now imagine that even though you're dirt poor, supporters have raised the money to have the DNA tested at another, more reliable lab. Sounds good? Nope, the court calls your evidence inadmissible.

When there's actual justice in our legal system I'll revisit the question.
consortofvenus
May. 15th, 2008 04:57 am (UTC)
Yes, I think that the death penalty would be justice for this crime. Or a shot in the head via a bystander; whichever.

Anyway, your dream and how it made you think... reminds me of the Saw movies. Have you seen those? If not, you have to get to the last one to really understand it all.
dorjejaguar
May. 15th, 2008 05:29 am (UTC)
That feeling is human, and it feels like justice to us. Ask God which is which. I don't see that there's any way to know if it's actually justice or not. Justice is generally what we say it is.

"about whether or not people like that deserve a chance to get saved"
Since when is "getting saved" about whether or not a person is deserving?

Anyway, in the dream you were defending those children from harm.
That, in my opinion is the right thing to do.
Of course you could have aimed to wound instead of kill, but whatever. If a person violates another in that way, I think they've just walked right into the line of fire. If they believe that it's okay to violate others then really what they've said is that it's okay to be violated. If it's true for others then it must be true for them. If they won't respect the integrity of another's body then I don't see how they can expect to stay safe themselves. That's how I see it.
It's interesting because most sexual abuse that occurs is done by those who were themselves sexually abused. That's not to say that everyone who is sexually abused goes on to abuse another, they all don't. In fact I'm gonna bet most don't. Anyway these are damaged people, but that doesn't mean that they are not responsible for their crimes. They are.

Now if you were ever to actually kill someone as you did in the dream, if you aimed to kill, not just defend, you would know it. It's tween you and your conscience or you and your god that you've decided that using more force than is necessary to stop someone from doing wrong is ok. What that means in my mind is that you then expect that to be okay for you too.
So is it okay for someone to beat you to death if you strike them?
It is the same principle, just a difference of degree.
I certainly understand how doing as you did in the dream would feel right in the moment. You'll have to decide for yourself if it was the best course of action, if there could have been a better choice.

I think whether or not they get the "chance" to be saved is entirely beside the point when it comes to the death penalty.
Here are a few reasons why many are not okay with the death penalty.
It's not a deterrent. Essentially if a person is that fucked up they don't much care for their life. On the other hand losing their freedom would make an already sucky life worse.
Innocent people get put to death sometimes. The legal system is just not that perfect.
It's not less expensive. With all the appeals that people are entitled to that the state pays for it's at least as expensive as housing a criminal for life.

Now, the death penalty and killing someone in self or other defense are two different things. The state hands out the death penalty.
What you did in that dream could be called a number of things legally.
Justifiable homicide, manslaughter, aggravated murder to name a few.
Legally what it was could be hashed out in court.
What it wasn't was the death penalty.

Congratulations though. This dream is a gift in that now you have a better idea of the suffering of victims of sexual abuse. It wasn't real before for you and now it is. And now you know what it is to feel extreme hate and fear.
Perhaps next you'll have a dream that shows you what it is like to be inside the skin of the kind of people you killed. Perhaps you'll get to learn compassion for them next.


asura_reborn
May. 27th, 2008 10:33 pm (UTC)
Good point there.
Good point there.

Now you understand why I'm not interested in helping people who do nothing but "consume"...?

And in my eyes, Bar Mtzvah is pretty much a rite of manhood.

Parents DON'T spend much time with their kids... 80% or so (roughly estimating) of the kids I meet online aren't spending any time with their parents, so how can they teach them?

Kids as young as 10 to 13 are literally asking adults for sex online. It's pretty sick. Or pretty likely that they're other sickos who enjoy themselves in their fantasy worlds...

I guess it takes very little time for a generation to become this messed up. So many people grew up not being taken care of that in, what... 3 generations later things got bad... and by the 4th generation, this Coutnry has gone to hell in a handbasket.

Neglect of love and attention is hardly a crime... The Government can't regulate this nonsense. Nobody can force someone to love and spend time with their kids. Nobody should. People don't do stuff like that because they're forced. They do it, because they have to.

One thing has ever changed this... Everyone needs to be involved as a community, put their "noses in each other's buisness" and rag on them about how they don't spend time with their kids.

Sometimes Social Conformity is the only way to get massess to do this.

The ironay is the world moves through Karma... The answer to everyone's prayers for these kids is inevitablly what the Kabbalah teach us... One of two things inspires bringing the Light of God back...

1. Choice and Dedication.
2. Suffering and tradegy.

Karma says... This Country's due for another war. And a couple external things I've put together... Pretty much echo it.

Hopefully it won't come to that... I honestly believe that if people were involved, and cared about their kids, and took care of them, and society became realistic and healthy again, the external enviornment would fix itself... People would be so involved that would remember that caring about their Country was more than proudly proclaiming themselves to be the best Coutnry in the world (which is like a kid walking into school everyday, and declaring themselves the best person there).

No, they'd look at what was happening with their kids, and say to themselves... Hey, the crap we do to the Countries in the rest of the world reminds me a lot of how I treated my kids. Here's an idea...

And that spreads.

Everything connects, and it takes more than half a brain to see that. International War, and the family life are so interconnected it's ironic... I could spend all day explaining how things connect, but at the end of the day...

Fix your own life, and the world will follow.
asura_reborn
May. 28th, 2008 06:36 pm (UTC)
Trolling...?
I thought u were a spook...
Deleting a bit here and there...

But when u deleted the whole thing...

I guess u were just a troll...

Bleh, better a Troll than an Orc.

I should stick to the message boards. ^.^

Have a good one.
asura_reborn
May. 28th, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
Re: Trolling...?
Agh! Lj continues to confuse me... Sorry... Clicked the wrong link and it turned blank. *hits head* Sorry, Drake. Please delete that comment for me... Looking like a class A idiot there... Thought u'd wiped all the comments with the last deleted one.
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